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so, what does this mean for the president's continuing efforts to push for health care overhaul? savannah guthrie, this time yesterday, 4:30 eastern time, cbo estimate came out. i don't recall any confetti falling from the sky. >> reporter: that would be exciting. >> that would be exciting, but this is good news for balk us and the white house. what happens next? >> it's true, i think there could be heard a collective sigh of relief on the part of balk us and certainly some here at the white house, because not only did the final number come under the $900 billion that the president outlined but also found it would save $81 billion off the deficit over ten years. that's good news. this isn't the final bill by any stretch of the imagination. as you mentioned, the senate finance committee has now set a vote for tuesday. the way we look at it here at the white house, it's progressed that's promised. they're checking off the boxes of things that have to get done. they still are hopeful for
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thanksgiving, for a final health care reform bill to be passed, and that is within the realm of possibility as things stand right now. >> three senators in particular folks are watching. you wondered what senator owe olympia snowe had to say about it. and wyden and rockefeller, concerned about what's not in this proposal. they could certainly stand in the way of this moving forward. >> it really highlights the difficulty here. not only did senator reid the senate majority leader, now have to pull together this finance bill and merge it with the health bill, he has to keep democrats -- forget republicans for a moment. he has to keep democrats in line. some want to see a public option. on the house side, speaker pelosi has said her bill will have a public option. it sets up a showdown on this issue in the conference committee. the house will pass a bill. the senate will pass a bill. then they have to get together. while this is an important milestone and one the white house is happy about today, it's
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one more step in a very long road. >> right. let's talk about the public here, what folks are now saying since those town halls are behind us and the august doldrum or exciting, depending on the side of the coin you're on, are over. poll asks do you support or oppose obama's health reform plan? 40% support it, 47% oppose it. do you support or oppose a government option, 67% support, 37% oppose, savannah. >> reporter: polls are all over the place. there was a poll yesterday that showed actual increase support for health care reform. in some ways it depends on the poll you look at. the way they look at it here, we're in the middle of a legislative process. it's messy. any time it's about the debate that's going on in congress, support dwindles and the president's support actually dwindles. they feel they take the long view, once something passes,
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they think they'll see those numbers go back up. >> nbc's savannah guthrie. thank you, savannah. >> reporter: sure. afghanistan's capital city explosion today, killing at least 17 civilians, it happened near the indian embassy and afghanistan's interior ministry in kabul, second major attack in kabul in less than a month. the taliban claimed responsibility for the attack. today, afghanistan is on the president's agenda again, plans to meet with vice president bide sben secretary of state clinton again. during the three-hour long meeting last night at the white house, the discussion focuseded on pakistan and its role in fighting terrorism in afghanistan. peter baker from "the nork ti"t times" joins us. >> good morning. >> you have general mccrystal saying we need about 40,000 more troops and on the other hand vice president biden of the former foreign relations committee saying no, no, we have
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to focus on pakistan, leave the american troops there, get pakistan to perhaps step up to the plate. what kind of a challenge is this for the president? >> well, it's a big challenge. he doesn't seem enamored with either of the ends of the spectrum he's considering and seems to be looking for some middle ground, some way to combine the elements of different ideas here. increasingly, as they're having this discussion, they are focusing on the idea that it's al qaeda in pakistan that's the real threat to the united states and its own security and the taliban, while a loathsome and troublesome group in afghanistan doesn't actually threaten the united states directly. that's the theory they're trying to explore here. if that's the case, do you need to spend the resources of another 40,000 troops, as general mccrystal has sought for afghanistan, or is there another way to look at that? >> okay. if the president listens to some democratic leaders, they're saying no thanks to the thought
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of adding more troops. these are not just anybody. nancy pelosi is saying this, senator carl levin, armed services committee chairman, and david obie. so what are their concerns? can they stay in afghanistan without additional support? >> their concerns are that this is one more -- senator levin says they need to accelerate the training of afghan forces so they can take over their own fight. speaker pelosi represents the views of a number of liberals in her caucus, more outspoken than she is, even, in saying this war is not going the way we wanted it to go. we don't want to continue going down the same path we've been going down the past eight years. >> peter, you have to remember at the beginning, eight years ago, the plan for afghanistan was to get in there, try to stop
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al qaeda as well as stop the activities of osama bin laden. where are we on that? >> very good point. the american intelligence agencies are looking at is they think there are fewer than 100 al qaeda fighters actually left in afghanistan right now. for the most part, they're in pakistan. the question becomes, if the taliban were able to rise again and control larger sections of afghanistan than they already do, would they actually invite al qaeda back? would they actually be a safe haven for al qaeda, which would be a threat to the united states security or are they finished with al qaeda folks and don't want to be associated with them anymore, because that's what led them to lose their hold on power in 2001. >> peter baker, thank you. >> appreciate it. remember that pennsylvania soccer mom who brought a loaded handgun to her daughter's soccer game last year? we learned she and her husband were found dead last night in what appears to be a murder/suicide. melanie hane and her husband, scott, were found shot in their
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lebanon home. the couple's three children were home at the time of the shooting, but were not hurt. they are now staying with friends and relatives. david letterman's former assistant, stephanie birkitt has been pult on paid leave by worldwide pants, the company run by david letterman. she is one of a string of female staff memories who reportedly had a relationship with david letterman in addition to being his former assistant, birkitt also was, until recently, the live-in girlfriend of joel halderman, the man suspected of extorting $2 million from the star to keep the affairs secret. tighten their belts and we mean literally or they could end up paying a hefty price for it. he gets busted for dog fighting. nearly two years in prirch and returns to the nfl. michael vick's comeback is not stopping there. you won't believe where he's headed next. plus, we've got tv legend --
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>> more than a funny man. tv legend chevy chase returns to prime time with a whole new cast of characters. we'll ask him about his show "community" next here on msnbc. >> we are not making fun of you. >> calling me hacky sack. that face you made is pretty obviously annie. the honey-baked bunches! the magic's in the mix. my favorite part? eating it. honey bunches of oats. taste the joy we put in every spoonful. honey bunches of oats. we call the bunches in honey bunches of oats the prize in the box. well, now there's a prize inside the prize. pecans! pecans! baked into crunchy oat bunches. taste the delicious surprise in every spoonful. new honey bunches of oats with pecan bunches. beautiful.
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it took us maybe, what, two hours to give up the corporate life? i think it took me about ten minutes. running a b&b is not a desk job. i have to climb stairs 20-30 times a day.
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well, quite a treat for some 150 middle school students who got to stargaze with the president of the united states last night. 20 telescopes were set up at the white house has president and students took advantage of a cloudless sky to look directly at the galaxy above. astronomy night is part of an effort to stir up young people's
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interest in science and something that will stir up interest in all of science, unbelievable spectacle. in less than 20 hours, nasa will bomb the moon with two spacecrafts on live television. it's amazing. they're hoping it will reveal the presence of water beneath the surface. tom costello at the smithsonian air and space museum. me and my other sci-fi geeks were blogging last night, i can't tell you all the conspiracies of what's really going on. give us the scoop on the real mission. >> i have read that aliens who had a lunar phase were going to be upset about this whole thing. 40 years since we landed on the moon with apollo 11, we really don't know as much about the moon as you might think so. this telescope is now pointed at the south end of the pole.
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that is exactly where they're going to send this rocket. it's about the size of africa, the southern pole on the moon. they're going to target a particular crater there, and they're going to send a rocket in. we have animation to show you. this rocket goes in at twice the speed of a bullet. when it does, it's going to slam into the moon and that's going to kick up a tremendous plume of dust, of rock and, they hope, ice. and if it kicks up ice, what will that tell us about the moon? a second satellite is following that rocket right in behind it. it will transmit back live feeds, television feeds, but also it's going to send back scientific data as it flies through that plume. then it, too, will impact the moon. out of all of this, we'll learn awe little bit more about what is in the dust. we believe there are ice molecules in the dust. keep in mind, that southern end of the moon is colder than pluto, they believe. but they believe there are ice molecules. underneath the dust, might there
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be ice? if there's ice, that might be able to support a permanent lunar base some time down the road, because you could literally draw water from it and might be able to use the hydrogen for roblingt fuel. this is all very exciting. in many ways, they think they might learn more from this mission than they did from the apollo mission. this is very exciting. >> let me ask you. a lot of people are talking about the price tag. over $70 million. this is at a time when nasa is struggling, in some ways, to stay relevant. we saw the president with a group of school children, trying to increase the interest of science. we have been distracted to so many other things, quite honestly. >> i think you can make the argument that this is what nasa does best. $70 million is a drop in the bucket. nasa's total budget is only 7/10 of 1% of the total budget. what nasa has done best is using these robots, probes, to go out and explore the universe. they did it with mars, mercury,
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jupiter and elsewhere and now the moon. this is far less costly than a man mission and the science that they have gleaned from all of these missions has been tremendous. look what they've done with the mars rover. they've had no humans on mars. so, $70 million for this mission. they expect it's going to produce tremendous science. that's a heck of a value in the view of nasa. and we have charged nasa with exploring the heavens. that's exactly what they're supposed to do, and do it in a cost-effective manner. >> this will be pretty awesome. i can't wait to see it on live tv and talk more tomorrow. thank you very much. >> you bet. chevy chase was part of a landmark ensemble when "saturday night live" began in the '70s. more than three decades layer, he is part of the new ensemble on the nbc comedy "community" which moves to a new time slot tonight, 8:00 eastern time. let's check out a clip. >> look like a blue tooth thing.
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>> no, this is my cell phone headset and this is ear-noculars, gives you sonic hearing. >> all hearing is sonic. >> what is that? >> actor and comedian chevy chase. congratulations on this gig. "time" magazine sats you threatened to run away with this show. what do you say to that? >> i think "time" magazine really ought to get another writer. by the way, i threw a hand grenade into my ice this morning in the freezer, and it works. >> so it works? good to know. don't try this at home. let's talk about the character that you play. you're this eccentric, lonely entrepreneur. you enroll in community college. you connect with a spanish class study group. >> right. >> what was it about this character that lured you back? >> clearly the writing. when i read the pilot i thought i've got to do this. it was just very funny to me.
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>> okay. the funny part, though, what? because one of the descriptions in "the new york times" says that your character plays a loopy delightful guy. do you know what came to mind to me? thinking back to "snl," gerald ford, maybe more bumbling in that. did you pull anything from that? is there anything from the past that you drew on for this character? >> you know, i hadn't thought of that. that's very interesting. that was a ways back. i would say this guy is just a touch beneath clark griswold in intelligence, and he allows me to be an appropriate, socially, politicly, religiously, whatever. and be kind of dumb and still have, you know, a lot of physical comedy involved. >> okay. so, maybe there will be some gerald ford reprisals. >> could be. >> that was legendary stuff. let's listen to one of your
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"community" co-stars. they have this to say about working with you. listen. >> they would go action, i would go like, you're chevy chase. this is amazing. are you ready, amigo? >> si. >> he shares what he knows, which is amazing. >> when they say you may run away with the show, you have some bromance or something going with jeff? >> no. i'll never run away with the show. that's very nice of them to say. but no, no. you know, they're all good actors and funny people. and it's great to work with all of them. i'm the eldest so i have some credibility there. >> does it make it a little bit different that you've been out of tv for this long, coming back? granted you had that role on "chuck," but getting into an
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ensemble cast, are you trying to get back to something you had on "snl" or is it different? >> totally different. it's been a long time since i did "saturday night live." it's completely different. it's much more tightly scripted, much less time. it's only a half hour. but i guess the camaraderie between the actors is still there. >> okay. well, we expect to see evidence of that when "community" premieres. thank you so much chevy chase for rockin' with us. we're lael happy to talk to you. good luck. >> thank you very much. >> all of you make sure to watch chevy chase in the "community" show, airing tonight at its new time on nbc, 8:00 pm eastern time, 7:00 pm central. meantime michael vick is set to star in a new tv series on b.e.t., after facing 18 months in prison on dog charges, "the michael vick project" will
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in today's tech watch, car accidents cause bid distracted drivers, more automobiles will have systems on board keeping an eye on drivers looking for fatigue, distraction and alcohol. many more will look for erratic driving patterns like car drifting out of the lanes. concerns over the swine flu vaccine, associated press poll finds more than one-third of parents don't want their children vaccinated. >> several cities hit very hard earlier this year by the virus are reporting fewer and fewer cases. robert basell joins us. good morning. >> good morning. >> so, what's that about? the fewer and fewer cases. new york was hit particularly hard this spring, but doesn't seem to be as hard right now.
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>> any influenza that comes through comes through in waves. tbd be so many people are immune it won't take hold again. but you don't know that. it's unpredictable. that doesn't help us at all to decide what to do. it has not been -- it does not come back as hard in the places where you got -- >> we want to talk about the fear factor here. headline in "the new york times," why are we afraid of the new flu vaccine and bill maher, very popular guy, he tweeted to his 50,000 followers, warning about the new flu shot. there is a fear going on. >> warning what? >> i can't speak for bill maher. >> right. i don't think he's a scientist. >> no, no, but what he represents is a group of people who are afraid, not justified, sieps or otherwise, but you did a report last night where there has been a history with vaccines where it went wrong.
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>> an outbreak of a different swine flu -- >> sure. >> big vaccination campaign and led to increased incidence of a paralytic disease of guillen barre syndrome. that was very important because the epidemic never materialized. 230 cases of basic training soldiers at ft. dixon, new jersey. after that, it never came back. you had a vaccine that had small side effects and no disease. >> could that be at the root of the one-third of parents who say look we're too afraid to have our kids vaccinated. >> big anti-vaccine movement that's been going on for a long time, related to a lot of things, unfounded fears that it led to increased incidence of autism. parents don't remember horrible outbreaks of infectious diseases including measles and polio, long-since forgotten but were
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taken care of by a vaccine. >> these 60% or so don't get the vaccine, how does it make more difficult as we enter the true month of the flu season? >> you don't know how it's going to play out. what would happen if your child was in a school and a lot of other kids didn't get vaccinated and your child get sick? how would you feel about that? those are the kind of things that will come up. there's no way to predict -- >> if your child did get the vaccine, does that mean your child does not get it? >> there's no 100% protection, but there's a lot less chance there will be an outbreak in the school if most kids get vaccinated and your child has much less of a chance getting it him or herself. no one gets 100% protection from influenza vaccine. >> robert basell, chief medical corporate, thank you. >> thank you. >> breast cancer research breakthrough, for the first time in history, researchers are reporting evidence that cells
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genetically mutate as the disease progresses. dna sequence of a breast cancer tumor, they have found all of the mute aigs that cause the cancer to spread. the canadian study is being published in the international science journal nature. still to come, suburban chicago cop under fire for this scuffle with a special needs student caught on tape. plus retailers head toward the holiday shopping season, facing a downright chilly forecast, what stores are already doing to get you in. we're 78 days before christmas. >> come on. >> you're watching msnbc. a stolen blue chevy tahoe, south on i-75, near exit 5. we're on it. onstar, we may have that tahoe. ok, i'll flash the lights. we got it. it's in the clear. i'm sending a signal to cut the power. we got him. mr. ross, the police have recovered your tahoe.
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leave, peter, for obvious reasons. but what's going on here? >> sources from within worldwide pants have confirmed this is not a punishment, but practical reality. they say it would be impossible, given the media attention of this case for her to return to "the late show with david letterman," where she started 13 years ago initially as an intern. she went away to work at cbs news where she met her boyfriend, joel h lachlt derman and came back to work for david letterman, presently is still paid as an stanton his staff. >> it's interesting. the national organization for women now is criticizing letterman for creating a, quote, toxic environment in the workplace. has cbs or worldwide pants made an official statement? could this have been a hostile work environment for women? >> cbs has made no statement. he works for world'swide pants and worldwide pants says he hasn't broken any of his company's policies.
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some people think that's where the problems exist. national organization for women refer to this as a toxic environment and cbs should take action immediately. cbs said what they're doing at this point is cooperating with authorities, to help them in terms of this investigation. i was reading through some of this, and one fact new to me, david letterman's viewership is 58% female last season, average age under 55. it's among those women were the real risks exists and new reports could upset some of that female audience. reports are that joe halderman has been telling his friends he saw david letterman making out with stephanie birkitt, living with and dating halderman, in the driveway of his home and that that was the reason that perhaps, according to friends, he went forward with this alleged blackmail plot. >> thank you, peter, for the latest on that extortion case.
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alex? harry connick jr. got more than he bargained for when he was a guest judge on a popular australian variety show when one group of performers showed up in black face, he was left vivly uncomfortable, certainly not speechless. he gave the group a zero for starters and walked off the show during a commercial break. plecht surprise on wall street this morning, brand new numbers beat expectations for their september sales. this month reports an important clue for how wide shoppers will open their wallets this holiday season. bertha coombs is following it for us. you can't spend what you don't have. >> exactly. that's sort of what we saw in the numbers. september marks the first time in a year that we've seen an increase in month-to-month retail sales year over year, depending on which index you
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look up. they were up about 1%. within that, the stores that had the biggest discounting, that had the best pricing did well. part of the reason we're so excited, some were better than expected. retailers, macy's, gap, jcpenney, target, kohl's and tj maxx did very well, a couple boosting their he weearnings. high-priced stores are still experiencing pain, abercrombie and fitch, american apparel down 16%. those are the places that folks are staying away from right now. if there's not a bargain they're not shopping south florida bertha, thank you very much. 78 days till christmas. we'll see what happens. americans are not just spending less, but borrowing less, too. consumer borrowing fell for the secht straight month in august as americans work to pay down their debt and banks slashed credit card limits. joining us live, investment ed
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for for the financial times, good morning, john. >> good morning. >> it soundses like it was good news and it was the thing to do when things were going well in the economy. put away plenty of money for savings. you might need it for a rainy day. now that we're in these rainy days with americans borrowing less and saving more, what is the down side? >> at the moment they're not saving more. in the last few weeks we've seen they're spending more out of their savings, paying down their debts, but are still buying things, even if they're looking more carefully for bargains. the downside of all of this, plainly, is that both america and the rest of the world have been used to this idea that americans have a bottomless source of cash that they will always be the buyer of last resorts. companies are used to the notion and economies are used to the notion that americans will keep on buying if everybody has to get used to a world in which there's less credit available,
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when they need to start saving more, then there will be less spending, less activity going on in the economy. and in the long run, that is going to mean that everybody has to get used to a lower standard of living for the future. >> but, john, with consumer spending about 70% of the u.s. economy, how do you make that point to consumers that we need you to spend even though you don't really have it, to get the economy back? two perspectives to look at, from the individual's viewpoint and the overall good of the economy. >> it's the classic paradox of thrift. what makes sense for any individual consumer is to cut back -- more or less never makes sense to do any serious borrowing via a credit card in the first place. it helps the profits of banks. it's really not a good idea. ultimately, it's very difficult to tell any consumer that they should be spending more than they have in the current environment. if you want the ultimate
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justification for the kind of intervention that government is making in the economy at the moment, that would be it. if you don't -- without some kind of change to those incentives on individuals, plainly the incentive is to be thrifty and that's ultimately could be bad for the economy. >> john authers, thank you very much from the financial times. north carolina state workers who are overweight and smoke may be the new target as a way to get the state out of debt. north carolina is going to tax state workers who fit this profile. it's an effort meant to help offset rising health care costs, but some obviously are saying this one goes a little too far. ron mott has the story from raleigh, north carolina. >> reporter: good day from the state capital in north carolina. big debate under way about weight, the weight of public employees here in the statehouse, current and former employees are now going to be required to pay more for health coverage if they are deemed overweight by the state. here's how it works,
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essentially. bmi, body mass index, will be calculated for these workers. if it is determined to be above a certain level, they are going to have to pay a little bit more every month for their premiums. they will also be enrolled into a less desirable health plan where they will be responsible for paying 30% of their medical expenses. now, if they're able to get their bmis down, under that threshold, the government will allow them to enroll into a more desirable health plan where there's a little less money out of pocket that these workers have to come up with. also, smokers are being targeted by this new legislation. state employees who smoke will have to come out of pocket $40 more than they pay right now. a lot of people think this is unfairly targeting smokers and people who are overweight. they say there is some underlying medical condition particularly with those who are fighting the battle of the bulge. there are lots of issues that need to be worked out in this. the state believes that this is going to be a way for them to
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save money for taxpayers while getting people here healthier. that's the latest from raleigh. we'll send it back up to you. >> ron mott, thanks for that. new evidence sheds light on michelle obama's american story, what her family tree is revealing about a five generation journey from slavery to the white house. and the father of sarah palin's grandson gets ready to bare it all. we have details next on msnbc. ♪
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well, there's new research today on first lady michelle obama's family tree and the remarkable journey her family took from slavery five generations to having her in the white house. >> what a story. msnbc's norah o'donnell has it for us. >> welcome to the white house. >> reporter: today, new details about the five-generation journey that took michelle obama's family from slavery to the white house. a building originally built by
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slaves. >> it was a real treasure hunt. not your usual political story. >> reporter: it is a story brought to light by "the new york times." and it starts with this 18th century will, drawn up by a south carolina slave owner. in it, the name of michelle obama's great, great, great maternal grandmother. a 6-year-old slave girl named melvinia, left to her owner's heirs and valued at just $475. >> she was treated like a piece of property. we know so little about her, and yet the details we do know say so much. >> reporter: she was sent to a new farm in georgia. there, she met a white man who fathered her first child. her son was named dolphus shields, michelle obama's great, great grandfather. he moved to birmingham. by 1900, lived in this house. by 1911, he had his own carpentry and tool sharpening business. >> even though he was a black man in birmingham, he moved
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easily across the color line. he founded a business in the white section, a town which was pretty unusual. >> reporter: one of his sons was robert lee shields, mrs. obama's great grandfather. he and his wife, annie, had a son named pernell shields, who moved the family to chicago. purnell and his wife, rebecca, a nurse, had several children, one of them marion lois shields, mrs. obama's mother, who now lives in the white house. >> if she looks at the shoulders of the people who she stands on and who paved the way for her, she has so much to be proud of. >> reporter: even though the first family paid an emotional visit this summer to a departure point for african slaves, mrs. obama has said little publicly about her family's history. one of the only references, the president's historic speech on race during the campaign. >> i am married to a black american, who carries within her
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the blood of slaves and slave owners. >> joining us live, msnbc chief washington correspondent, norah o'donnell. it is an incredible story, norah. 168 years after melvi inform ia valued at $475 gets sold to the property of another human being, you have mrs. obama living in the white house. >> it is extraordinary. these are details about the first lady's family history that even she did not know about. so, this fills in some of the bla blanks. it also substantiates some reports that she did have a white ancestor. so, they know that now. so, it's truly extraordinary and says a lot about this journey. and the authors of this piece in "the new york times," as i spoke with them yesterday, as they pointed out, it's not that this is such an extraordinary tale about african-americans in this country, it's actually more ordinary. this is, in part, the legacy of many african-americans in this country. so it's remarkable. the first lady also is not
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likely to comment on this. it is a very personal matter, but nevertheless we -- it is noteworthy. i think you'll learn about the first lady's family history. >> it's interest iing, norah, beyond michelle obama, a lot of african-american families now with the internet and resources you can find online are tracing their history that is very similar, white ancestors in their families because of what was happening with slave owners and the women that they, quite honestly, owned. but it goes beyond this family. and the resources again that are out there for more blacks to learn about their families. my own family, i thought the whole time we were from texas. we just learned at a family reunion, we're actually from north carolina. this is happening across the country with african-american families. she was fortunate to be the first lady and have "the new york times" help her out on this one. >> yeah. and i'm actually told the mormon church has researched the an sestry of every american president. they are also researching the obama family heritage as well. their research has substantiated
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what "the new york times" found. "new york times" reporter and genealogist who worked on this said it was like a treasure hunt trying to find this, but the clues were all there. and the obamas did not know a lot of these details, but now they know a lot. it is also worth pointing out, this is about the maternal side of her family. the washington post has done some great reporting about the paternal side of her family, which is from georgetown, south carolina, in which there are still people there in georgetown, south carolina, that remember some of frasier robinson, michelle obama's father, family. >> pretty awesome what is available out there. maybe all of us can dig around in our history and learn who we are. the battle over health care, senate democrats say vote on legislation will come. they say it will come this week. >> this thursday. republicans are virtually unanimous in saying there is nothing in it to vote for. so, we're going to break it down for you next here on msnbc, the place for politics.
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welcome back. it's bad sign of the times. tempers have flaired in detroit as tens of thousands of people lined up in hopes of getting applications to help people who are homeless or may soon be homeless. people actually pushed and trampled one another and more than 50,000 people applied for the aid, but only 3,500 families were receiving it. look at that line t is heartbreaking. meantime, the senate house finance committee is set to vote on its version of a house health care reform on tuesday. this proposal could lower the deficit over ten years. peter joins us as well as danny diaz and former rnc spokesman. good morning to you both. >> good morning. >> let's listen to what mitch mcconnell had to say on the senate floor this morning. the baucus bill will not see the light of day. >> later in the day we got a
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cost estimate, it's irrelevant. the bill it's referring to will never see the light of day. what matters is that the final bill will cost about $1 trillion. vastly expand the role of government in people's health care decisions, increase premiums and limit choice. >> danny, your reaction to that, in addition to the fact earlier that it will lower the overall health care costs by $81 billion. that's nuthing to sneeze at. where is the disconnect here? >> i think senator mcconnell is right on the mark. what we're seeing is a lot of manufactured excitement on the other side. at the end of the day, harry reid has to go behind closed doors and try to mesh two bills together and put something forward that will make everyone happy. the baseline is this, half a trillion in medicare cuts and you will have 1,000 page bill
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and the finance bill does not reduce premiums. at the end of the day, you're looking for a job and the government is spending more money and not decreasing premiums and cutting medicare. i don't know how that benefits those looking for a job and those focused on the economy. i think it's a nonstarter. >> i want you to listen what dick durbin talks about this bipartisan effort. some democrats will say, that won't happen. take a listen. >> senator baucus said i have to try everything i can to make this a bipartisan effort. he did. he spent months at it and what does he have to show for it? at the end of it, two of the republican senators walked out saying we're not interested and the others said we'll wait and see. so, when they come to the floor critical of othis debate on health care reform the obvious question i would ask the republican leader is, what is your plan? >> okay, peter. i got to tell you, the question to you would be if the gop does
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put forward a plan, will the democrats listen? >> you laid it out $81 billion savings over ten years and the republicans are in the wilderness on this and the key that made all this happen is the hospitals, pharmaceutical companies and all the folks that realized being in this process to get health care reform by adding more people to the insurance rolls will make the real goal here. we're out of time, i guess. >> i'm out of time and i'm so sorry, we'll make it up to you. that does it for this hour, i'm alex witt. >> i'm tamron hall. dr. nancy snyderman is picking up our coverage next on msnbc.
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